When Good Isn't Good Enough with Cindy Egger
"You just can't live without Jesus!" Well, "Yes, you can," thought Cindy Egger, and she had been doing a "good" job of it for 30 years.
Raised in a good home and living a good life, Cindy wasn't resistant to the Gospel as much as she didn't see the need for it. Yet eventually she came to see her need for Jesus was much more about a changing internally than externally.
After coming to faith as an adult, God brought art back into Cindy's life, and this grew into a business and ministry which opened doors for sharing the "Good News" to thousands of individuals. Today she equips other women to share their faith as a natural part of their life, using their unique abilities.
She encourages us to remember that we're not responsible for outcomes but for actions of faithfulness, as we never know the full impact of sharing even one time with an individual, whether a child or adult.
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Transcript
If your desire is to become spiritually stronger, emotionally healthier, and relationally smarter, you're at the right place.
Speaker A:Speaker and writer Stephanie Smith inspires and equips you to achieve these three key aims.
Speaker A:If you're a parent, you also learn how to raise empowered kids ready for adulthood.
Speaker A:Let's get started.
Speaker B:Welcome back to Life 3 podcast and YouTube channel.
Speaker B:I am delighted to bring a guest to you today with a message that you are going be encouraged by.
Speaker B:Her name is Cindy Egger and she is a wife, a mother, a retired hair stylist.
Speaker B:So, you know, she's got lots of stories and she's also a speaker and an author, and she has a passion and a heart to encourage other women and individuals to share their faith story.
Speaker B:So, first of all, Cindy, just welcome.
Speaker B:Thank you for being here.
Speaker C:Thank you for having me.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:It is a delight now in wanting to encourage and equip people to share their faith story.
Speaker B:It might be from a stage, but you want to see women empowered to value their story, sharing that in just the ordinary, everyday places of life.
Speaker B:It was people who shared their stories in this kind of way that facilitated you coming to Christ at the age of 30.
Speaker B:And so give us some of the backstory of your bc, as you say, you're before Christ years.
Speaker B:Let us know a little bit about who Cindy was.
Speaker C:That I appeared to be the same person that I was after.
Speaker C:The change was internal.
Speaker C:And that's the most important part, that I worked hard.
Speaker C:I was raised in a good home.
Speaker C:I was taught to be a good worker.
Speaker C:I was taught to be a good wife.
Speaker C:I wanted to be a good wife.
Speaker C:I wanted to be a good mother.
Speaker C:I had all those desires to be a good person.
Speaker C:I don't have a dramatic, you know, transformation story as far as my life goes.
Speaker C:Only my heart didn't even know that it was broke until after I came to know the Lord.
Speaker C:Didn't know that it harbored unforgiveness, didn't know that it harbored, you know, a lot of negative feelings.
Speaker C:You know, I was just functioning through the world, doing what I thought I was supposed to do.
Speaker C:And I like to tell people.
Speaker C:And then I learned through people who sacrificially gave their time and their efforts and their hearts for me to hear the message of the gospel.
Speaker C:And then I learned that good isn't good enough.
Speaker C:And one thing I'm excited about is trying to share with people that that one sentence.
Speaker C:I have some little silicone bracelets that I had made.
Speaker C:And they say when good isn't good enough.
Speaker C:And I tell them, now, this is going to be the shortest time you've ever given your testimony.
Speaker C:When somebody asks you, what does that mean?
Speaker C:What does that bracelet mean?
Speaker C:You just read it, say, when good isn't good enough, or if they've read it, you say, but Jesus is.
Speaker C:And that can open the door.
Speaker C:Because I think people have to know the why you need Jesus.
Speaker C:Because as an adult that came to know the Lord, I remember many, many situations of people sharing Jesus with me.
Speaker C:And they were doing the best they could because as an adult believer now I know how hard it is.
Speaker C:It's scary.
Speaker C:You're intimidated, you're afraid you're going to fail.
Speaker C:You're afraid you're responsible if they don' Respond.
Speaker C:You're afraid if you can't quote Scripture, you know, and none of us sound like Billy Graham.
Speaker C:So, you know, we kind of.
Speaker C:Well, then I'm just not going to do it.
Speaker C:And it is my heart and my passion to help equip people to share their story.
Speaker C:Because of what I've done for the last 25 years, the last 40 years of my life, I've heard people express those fears and I've experienced it myself.
Speaker C:And my first experience of realizing that that was a missed opportunity when fear and panic came over me and I remembered the verse about, if you deny me in front of your.
Speaker C:In front of man, I'll deny you in front of my father.
Speaker C:And I can remember that gut wrenching feeling of, you know, just panic.
Speaker C:Like, I don't know why I didn't say anything.
Speaker C:And I really believe it was all of those.
Speaker C:But the main reason was I was not prepared.
Speaker C:And we do nothing else in life unprepared.
Speaker C:We don't cook unprepared, we don't sew unprepared, we don't get in our car and drive unprepared.
Speaker C:We do nothing else in life unprepared.
Speaker C:So I'm a huge believer that if people will just get prepared for that moment, that the Lord lays it on your heart to share, you'll be ready.
Speaker C:And that doesn't mean we leave our front door and everybody we run into, that's who we're supposed to.
Speaker C:We'll know.
Speaker C:You'll know when the Lord lays it on your heart, when the opportunity presents itself for you to just slide in a few sentences to share about your faith, invite them to church, you'll know.
Speaker C:But preparation, I believe, is the key.
Speaker B:I love, you know, sharing about that.
Speaker B:You know, when I was a kid, evangelism was something that was a big theme in the church that I grew up in.
Speaker B:And just as a little kid, I felt so guilty because I, when I went to school, for example, I was so intimidated.
Speaker B:And I remember earnestly praying for a long time that if God would just give me a vision of hell, then it would be so bad that then I would be motivated to get over my, my fear, you know, of talking to kids, you know, about their need for Jesus.
Speaker B:I'm very grateful God didn't answer that prayer because we don't have to have that kind of motivation in order to, to share our stories.
Speaker B:I have learned that time.
Speaker B:But I do think it is something that even if we have grown up and came to Christ early, that doesn't necessarily mean that if we find it easy to just share our faith in the, in the natural give and take and situations of life.
Speaker B:You know, one of the things that you talk about is that you had people along the way who just shared with you, and at the time, they might not even have recognized the, the impact that they were having just in sharing.
Speaker D:So can you kind of talk to.
Speaker B:Us about, you know, some of the people that, that shared and, and how that ended up not turning into this one big transformational event, but all of it worked together to bring you to that place of saying, my goodness is just not good enough.
Speaker B:I, I need Christ.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:One of my favorites is because I do not even remember who it was.
Speaker C:And I'm pretty sure that they shared and walked away and thought it fell on deaf ears.
Speaker C:And that is the story of my logo.
Speaker C:When I did venture.
Speaker C:This may be jumping ahead a little bit, but when I did venture into more of a business ministry style with products, I had to have a logo.
Speaker C:And I had, you know, that, that, of course, never entered my mind at the time because it was a hobby that turned into a business.
Speaker C:And I chose the dogwood bloom.
Speaker C:And the reason was because I can remember as a child, someone stood, someone, I can't tell you who, someone stood in my driveway and explained the legend behind the dogwood bloom and how it represents the crucifixion of Christ.
Speaker C:Now, I had no idea what the word crucifixion meant.
Speaker C:I was probably between the age of 10.
Speaker C:But I do remember the words the crown of thorns, which is the center of the dogwood bloom.
Speaker C:And I remember the stains on the white of the dogwood looms representing his blood.
Speaker C:So fast forward that person, that conversation was over.
Speaker C:I don't know that I ever reflected on it again, but As I did grow up, become an adult, and be in church and hear some things from other people, that visit just came back to my mind.
Speaker C:And when someone said, well, you know, you gotta have a logo.
Speaker C:This is over 20 years later, I'm like, that's it.
Speaker C:Because I wish I knew where it was, because I would go to them and tell them, you know, you think that fell on deaf ears?
Speaker C:And it didn't.
Speaker C:But so that's.
Speaker C:That's one.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:Then cutting hair.
Speaker C:For 40 years, I had people tell me, you need Jesus, you better get them kids in church, you know, and they didn't mean well.
Speaker C:And I'm not saying they did wrong.
Speaker C:They did great.
Speaker C:Because I do remember, because it did make my wheels turn in my brain.
Speaker C:But what my wheels were turning and thinking was, well, why?
Speaker C:I mean, I didn't know.
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker C:And this may just be my personality.
Speaker C:I am a why person.
Speaker C:Just, you know, I've got to know the why behind everything.
Speaker C:If you tell me to plug this into that, I got to know why.
Speaker C:Why do you want me to do that?
Speaker C:And so.
Speaker C:But I do remember it.
Speaker C:And they meant well and they were kind and.
Speaker C:And they shared their faith is the main thing.
Speaker C:And they invited me to church.
Speaker C:I didn't know what was at church.
Speaker C:I can remember somebody, y'all, this is going to tell you how he there.
Speaker C:And I was what a heathen of a good person I was.
Speaker C:And somebody says, well, you just can't live without Jesus.
Speaker C:You need to find G.
Speaker C:You need to get Jesus.
Speaker C:And I'm thinking, well, I've lived 30 years just fine without him, yet I mean, that's how my brain thinks.
Speaker C:I can't believe I'm the only person that thinks that way.
Speaker C:You know, I wish.
Speaker C:I wish I'd had the childlike faith.
Speaker C:And children do think like that, you know, I'm so thankful that all my grandchildren are in church.
Speaker C:And I hear them share their stories and I hear their openness before any intimidation, before any fear kicks in, you know, they want to take a whole carload of kids to church, you know, so I'm thankful that my memories are going to help the other very small percent, unfortunately, of adults that don't come to know the Lord.
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm just a believer and I'm a dreamer.
Speaker C:And I do believe that it's not too late to change the world.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And I love the fact that you're, you know, just sharing that, but I want to know why, because you are not the only person in that boat.
Speaker B:And we need to be able to give a reason, not just an argument, but a personal reason, that says, here's.
Speaker B:Here's why.
Speaker B:Here's what faith has meant to.
Speaker B:To me.
Speaker B:Because people can argue your theology, but nobody can really argue your story and your.
Speaker B:Your experience.
Speaker B:They can discount it, but they can't say, well, you know, it didn't happen with that.
Speaker B:You know, after you came to Christ, you were recalled, I think, the Holy Spirit, you know, just working her.
Speaker B:And you remembered your love for drawing, you know, as.
Speaker B:As a child.
Speaker B:Because I think that the first trait that we learn about God is Genesis 1:1.
Speaker B:In the beginning, God what?
Speaker C:Created.
Speaker B:Created.
Speaker B:And we know first him as a creator.
Speaker B:And the very first verb in the Bible is God created, not God loved, but God created and being made in his image.
Speaker B:We are hardwired to be people of creativity.
Speaker B:But I think, unfortunately, in our culture, so many times we have defined creativity in such narrow language, and we've put it in a box and assigned it to a few people to say, well, they're creative and, and I'm not.
Speaker B:But that is not just like, oh, creativity is not just like icing on the cake.
Speaker B:And it's not just entertainment for life.
Speaker B:It's a part of how we are wired to.
Speaker B:To fellowship with God, to know him and to reflect him.
Speaker B:And one of the things that you have done with your creativity is you are using that as a way to share this, your story of faith, and to help lead other people to faith in Christ or just to get their wheels turning and thinking about, oh, you know what, maybe I need to kind of think about this whole Jesus or church or, you know, or faith thing.
Speaker B:So can you just kind of walk us through what's that journey been like for you when you've merged your creativity as an artist, you know, with your faith as a Christian?
Speaker C:Well, the number one point that I like people to understand is that I had not been drawing.
Speaker C:I only drew as a child because it's a very important part of my journey of faith is that.
Speaker C:That I didn't even realize I could draw like I draw.
Speaker C:I didn't realize it.
Speaker C:And I think it's very important for.
Speaker C:For people to hear that that was not a gift that I used before him.
Speaker C:And he propelled me to bring out a piece of paper and start over and start doing something.
Speaker C:I remember the first time I learned I could draw, we were in school, and I was probably about 8 or 10, and our class went outside for art.
Speaker C:Well, you know, I'm just One of those outdoorsy tomboy kid.
Speaker C:I was just glad we were going outside and took a little piece of paper and a little charcoal or pencil and she told us to draw a tree.
Speaker C:And I can remember it was just a little, little pine tree, just a little patch of trees.
Speaker C:And I drew it and I thought, well, that looks like a tree.
Speaker C:You know, I really didn't expect it to.
Speaker C:I was just killing time.
Speaker C:But, you know, through the years, it wasn't anything I developed.
Speaker C:It wasn't anything I used very often.
Speaker C:Occasionally, because I didn't like school, my teachers would let me do like a pictorial book report instead of having to do a real book report.
Speaker C:That came in handy for that.
Speaker C:But other than that, you know, got married, had kids.
Speaker C:Who has time to sit around and draw?
Speaker C:And so when the Lord really put on my heart, when I discovered the Lord, it's not that I had been anti Jesus before, but you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker C:And I'm sad to say.
Speaker C:I'm thankful to say that my parents came to know the Lord later in life.
Speaker C:But I was not raised in a Christian home, but I was raised in a good home.
Speaker C:That good was, as I said before, good was the goal.
Speaker C:We're all going to be good people.
Speaker C:We're all going to be good.
Speaker C:And so when, you know, the Lord just kept telling me, you got to share your word.
Speaker C:You got to share the word, you got to share the message.
Speaker C:You got to share what's happened to you.
Speaker C:And my transformation, the peace that I felt because I had had some troubled times was.
Speaker C:Was just unbelievable.
Speaker C:I mean, I really didn't know that's what Jesus was going to do for me.
Speaker C:And so I want everybody to have that.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:I just do.
Speaker C:I want everybody to know the Lord.
Speaker C:I don't want eternity to come and us not be there together.
Speaker C:When people say, I'm ready for the Lord to come, I'm like, no, but I'm not.
Speaker C:Because I know too many people that need to know the Lord.
Speaker C:And so I did.
Speaker C:I just took out my little blue pen and I drew my first little design.
Speaker C:And it was.
Speaker C:Had some different meanings.
Speaker C:It was my grandmother's teacup that she was a believer.
Speaker C:And that's what she wanted before she died.
Speaker C:I can remember sitting on her bedside before she died and wanting us to go to church.
Speaker C:And then the teacup has a rosebud on it.
Speaker C:And the funny thing is my grandmother's name was Rosebud.
Speaker C:Her given name was Rosebud, and she Painted, but it just represented what we were studying in our Bible study.
Speaker C:Be still and know that I'm God.
Speaker C:So that's where my creative brain and my why comes in is because, okay, what is visually that is going to represent being still.
Speaker C:And to me, that teacup represents being still.
Speaker C:And I mean, I'm going to be honest, I still struggle with being still.
Speaker C:But I do have a visual now that reminds me along with many other visuals.
Speaker C:And so that's kind of how it got started.
Speaker C:I pulled that out and, and at that time I was just sticking it on T shirts because I wanted to wear my faith.
Speaker C:But at the time, big cartoony type T shirts is what was selling and that just wasn't what I wanted.
Speaker C:I wanted something a little more delicate, a little more feminine.
Speaker C:And I've just always been drawn to ladies ministry because I mean, that's obviously what I can relate to.
Speaker C:And then people at church started wanting one because I worked church, of course, and then I'm like, well, I don't have another drawing.
Speaker C:That's the only drawing I've done.
Speaker C:And I had drawn my mother in law picture for her birthday because you know, when you're all young and married and you're broke, you want to, you know, you want to acknowledge somebody's birthday and give them something.
Speaker C:And she was a fabulous Christian woman and her and my husband is who got me into church.
Speaker C:And so I wanted to give her something and I gave her that water that, the design of the water can.
Speaker C:And then I went back and said, hey, I need to borrow that.
Speaker C:I need to, you know, I need to make a copy.
Speaker C:I gotta have number two drawing number two.
Speaker C:And then it just kind of spiraled and spiraled and grew and grew and different things caused me to think different way, I think different ways.
Speaker C:You'll see when you see my drawings and everything.
Speaker C:But I mean they're very, they're very.
Speaker C:They look like what they're supposed to look like.
Speaker C:But you may not know why I chose that verse for that particular illustration until I tell you the story behind it.
Speaker C:And that's, I've been telling my stories for 30 years now.
Speaker C:And that's why I feel like the Lord is now transitioning me to teach others tell their story.
Speaker B:And you have definitely moved way beyond just having a few T shirts for maybe other people at church.
Speaker B:So you have a whole line of artwork that you've done in a variety of different areas that you take to different art shows and people see, see.
Speaker B:So this, this has been a real business and ministry for you and, and so people can, can find out about that.
Speaker B:So can you just kind of share with us?
Speaker B:You know, you have this, first of all, for the woman or the man who's listening who has been saying maybe for a long time, yeah, I, I'm just not creative.
Speaker B:Because I know how many women that I have heard in my lifetime who just default to saying that.
Speaker B:And I just go, no, that's not true.
Speaker B:You're mating God's image.
Speaker B:You are hardwired to be creative in some area.
Speaker B:But a lot of people get the messages.
Speaker B:And sometimes that starts very young in childhood.
Speaker B:Well, I'm not creative.
Speaker B:What would you say to the woman who has buried her identity as being a creative individual under years of believing that?
Speaker B:Well, those are just kind of second class skills, you know, for a Christian, I mean, I, it's really not worth my spending time developing my creativity.
Speaker B:But what would you say to that person?
Speaker C:Well, first I would say, as far as sharing the gospel, it does not have to be in a creative way, but your talent, in your skill.
Speaker C:And if you're presenting to someone who doesn't have that one to them, what you do is creative.
Speaker C:I think the definition of creative sometimes gets a little bit lost.
Speaker C:You know, just like I have people compliment my drawing, but, you know, oh, I can't draw.
Speaker C:And I'm like, well, you probably sing.
Speaker C:I can't sing.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, and.
Speaker C:But it can be everything from just calling a person to me, that's that.
Speaker C:If it's about listening to your prompts, it's about listening to that.
Speaker C:Nothing you do will go, will be wasted if all you do is get up that morning and think, I need to call Susie today.
Speaker C:I haven't seen her in her yard in three weeks.
Speaker C:And she's usually in her yard just calling.
Speaker C:And that to me, that's a creative form because you didn't think black and white.
Speaker C:You didn't think, here's my day for today.
Speaker C:But when you threw in thinking about Susie and calling Susie, you created a moment.
Speaker C:And that's all we need to do is create a moment to share the Lord.
Speaker C:You don't have to build a business around it.
Speaker C:I mean, this is really, this is really extreme what I do.
Speaker C:It's extreme.
Speaker C:It's an, it's an extreme version.
Speaker C:So I don't want to be, I don't want to, I don't want it to do the opposite and make people think, well, I could never do that because that my whole goal.
Speaker C:And I think this is Important.
Speaker C:If you don't mind, I'd like to share this.
Speaker C:I have shared my testimony with thousands of people, literally thousands of people.
Speaker C:Some have stood and want to hear the story behind every drawing.
Speaker C:They're just really, okay, tell me about this one.
Speaker C:Others have nodded sweetly, but they heard it just like me with the dogwood loom.
Speaker C:I don't know how it was processed, but I think what's really important for me to share here, I have never once led anyone to Christ in that moment because people think because I've shared my testimony for years and years in this way, that I'm probably just, you know, nope.
Speaker C:The Lord has made my role.
Speaker C:And I may be misquoting this.
Speaker C:I hope I'm not.
Speaker C:But it seems like I heard one time, Billy Graham say, it takes 40 touches for someone to come to know the Lord.
Speaker C:The first person thinks they did nothing, and the last person thinks they did everything.
Speaker C:And so far, the Lord has kept me somewhere in those 40 because I have never once had someone say, now I've had people question me a little further.
Speaker C:And I'll be honest, one of the worst it left me sad is I did have on a T shirt that said, it's the snowman.
Speaker C:It says, though your sins are as scarlet, they shall be white as snow.
Speaker C:And it was a man who asked me.
Speaker C:He said, yeah.
Speaker C:He said, what does that mean?
Speaker C:I said, well, this is just telling you what Jesus takes your sins away.
Speaker C:And he said, yeah, but you have to do something.
Speaker C:I said, well, you just have to ask him to.
Speaker C:And I was shocked.
Speaker C:I went, are you ready to do that?
Speaker C:And he says, no.
Speaker C:And that, that.
Speaker C:I mean that just to this day, that's been years ago, and to this day, that horrifies me.
Speaker C:And because I wanted to lead him to the Lord.
Speaker C:That was our purpose, to be there and have that conversation.
Speaker C:And he rejected it.
Speaker C:So I know rejection.
Speaker C:I know people that walk up to my booth because the artwork may draw their eye.
Speaker C:But then when they read what the shirt says, it is such a great study of humans.
Speaker C:They look like they've been snake bit.
Speaker C:And I'm like, but they read scripture today.
Speaker C:They read one scripture today.
Speaker C:So I don't want anybody to mistake what I do as.
Speaker C:As normal.
Speaker C:Because it really has grown to the level that it's not what the average.
Speaker C:That's not who I'm trying to tell my story to.
Speaker C:And that's why I'm trying.
Speaker C:As far as this is, I'm not saying this is what you need to do.
Speaker C:What I'M trying to do now.
Speaker C:And I believe the Lord's been transitioning me for over a year to I've been telling my story for so long.
Speaker C:Do want to help people learn to tell their story?
Speaker C:If, if you can share Jesus because you have a favorite brand of coffee that you can tell your friend about and you all you have to say is, you know, when I do my devotions in the morning, this is the most delicious coffee.
Speaker C:And that may be all you say.
Speaker C:That is the start.
Speaker C:You may not have the relationship with that person.
Speaker C:You haven't built the trust.
Speaker C:That may be all you ever get to share with that person.
Speaker C:We don't know what our level of sharing is going to be, but we have to be prepared.
Speaker D:We're going to pause this wonderful conversation with Cindy Egger here and hopefully you will be encouraged as I was understanding that Cindy didn't come to faith the first time that someone shared with her something about salvation, about Jesus or about the church.
Speaker D:It took a period of time and we are not responsible for the outcomes.
Speaker D:But we never know what impact that our encouragement that our sharing that the things that we say, how that can lead someone to Christ and also to be encouraged that just because you don't come to faith in Jesus as a child, that does not mean that you are out of hope.
Speaker D:And I know that sometimes if we've been a Christian for a while, we've probably heard some of the statistics about the numbers of people that come to faith in Christ when they are young.
Speaker D:And while that may be true, God doesn't measure effectiveness and faithfulness and he doesn't measure success by statistics.
Speaker D:Every single person is of tremendous value to him.
Speaker D:So we don't want to get caught up in the statistics.
Speaker D:We want to be able to see and minister to people as individuals.
Speaker D:Okay, you're going to be able to find ways to connect with Cindy with links in the show notes.
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Speaker D:All right, my friend, that's going to close us out for today.
Speaker D:We'll be back next week as we wrap up the conversation with Cindy Egger.
Speaker D:Remember this, you have an impact that is immeasurable, eternal and irreplaceable.
Speaker D:I'll see you next time.
Speaker A:Thank you for listening.
Speaker A:Visit the website Stephanie presents.com and sign up for High Impact to join the mission of building spiritually strong, emotionally healthy and relationally smart women and families.
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Speaker A:Together we can invite and equip generations to engage fully in God's grand story.
